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Should Hellenic Polytheists/Olympianists be catagorised as "pagan"?
How many gods did the Hellenes worship?
What and where is Olympos?
How old is Hellênismos?
What is the general position of Hellênismos on patriarchy?
Isn't paganism a form of satanism or witchcraft?
I have James Frazer's The Golden Bough and many books by Robert Graves, Thomas Bullfinch, and Edith Hamilton. Are these useful?
Is Wicca compatible with Hellênismos?


1   Q: Should Hellenic Polytheists/Olympianists be catagorised as "pagan"?
A: This has long been an issue of debate within and outside of the community. Pagan is a word with a Latin origin (paganus) that carries a heavy burden with it. The ancient Hellenes btw did not speak Latin. Although originally used to describe people who lived in a pagus "rural district" (eg. Servius, Vergil G. 2.382), by the time of the Galilean writers Tertullian and Prudentius such usage had become to describe people who were debase and impure (Tert. De corona 11.4f, Prudent. Symm. 1.449). Jewish writers preferred the term gentiles/gentilia (eg. Filastrius 111.2). There are a number of other problems with the word pagan. Such a word also ignores the sheer variety of cultic practices and beliefs that are non-Galilean and attempts to syncretise religions under a single umbrella when many of these religions have very little in common eg. Mithraism and Hellenic civic cults. The worship of the dôdekatheoi (The Twelve Gods) developed along a polis-centric, not specifically rural, basis.

The emperor Julian (Flavius Claudius Iulianus) went someway to correct this imbalance by describing believers in the pantheon of Hellenic gods as Hellênismos. The earliest instances of such usage within this context goes back to the Neoplatonist writer Iamblikhos at the beginning of the fourth century C.E. This is a conscious reflection amongst believers in the old gods of Hellas to heighten self-awareness, identity, and distinctiveness. It was enough to anger Galilean writers such as Gregory of Nazianzos on Julian's use of language as a form of empowerment (Greg. Naz. Orat. 4 (Inv. against Jul. 1) 5.79-81). It is however the very cultural basis on which the dôdekatheoi are worshipped, quite clearly, a belief system that is neither "pagan" nor Roman nor Jewish nor Galilean and as such should be recognised as a seperate identifiable entity.

If you truly believe in religious tolerance and acceptance of other beliefs then it is up to those who worship the ancient gods of Hellas to define themselves on their own terms.

by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:49:33
2   Q: How many gods did the Hellenes worship?
A: Not as many as you may think. When compared to the Roman pantheon or Egyptian pantheon, for example, you will find that the Hellenes, although believing in a polytheistic system, did in fact have less gods than many other ancient models. While the Romans syncretised and identified their gods with those of the Hellenes, they also had many rural and household gods not found in the Hellenic pantheon. Augustine writing in the City of God found ammunition in this fact such as pointing out that "pagan" Romans had a god for the door, a god for the hinges on the door, and a god for the threshold of the door etc. Another point to consider is the increasing role of the imperial cult in the Roman world. Such a belief that the emperor was a god would have been considered hubris by ancient Hellenes and never considered in their pantheon.

The Egyptians themselves had an abundance of zoomorphic and anthropomorphic deities many of whom cannot be equated with the dôdekatheoi. Herodotos was clearly misinformed on what the Egyptians told him for traditional Egyptian beliefs grouped gods in triads, octads, or enneads, not sets of twelve (JHS 75 (1955) 21-2). So although the ancient Hellenes had the basic set of twelve it was not compulsory to worship every other deity or spirit.

by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:50:20
3   Q: What and where is Olympos?
A: Although there are many places called Olympos, not just in Hellas, the Olympos where the gods reside is a spiritual realm. The word Olympos actually comes from the verb lampo meaning "shining". Hence the gods of Olympos are also referred to as "the shining ones".
by hiera at 2000-05-22 09:40:47
4   Q: How old is Hellênismos?
A: The development of Hellênismos evolved over a considerable period of time. Linguists have made links between Indo-Europeans deities and that of the Hellenic gods such as Zeus and Dis Pater, Dioskouri and the Asvins for example. It should be cautioned however that it seems all too easy to link gods between pantheons on names alone when no such links ever existed in the first place. We have however evidence in the form of Linear B tablets where many of the names of the Hellenic gods can be found eg. at Knossos tablets indicate sacrifice to All the Gods (pasiteoi) and Zeus, Hera, Ares, and Poseidon among the dôdekatheoi are named at Pylos (J. Chadwick in M. Ventris-J. Chadwick, Documents in Mycenaean Greek, 2nd edition, Cambridge 1973, 410). If these tablets were written shortly before the destruction of these centres, we are roughly talking here 1150-1120 B.C.E. ie. a minimum of at least 3100 years ago.
by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:55:02
5   Q: What is the general position of Hellênismos on patriarchy?
A: Women in ancient Hellenic society held an equal if not more dominant role in priesthoods than that of the later imported Galilean church. The dôdekatheoi itself generally comprises six female deities and six male deities.
by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:52:34
6   Q: Isn't paganism a form of satanism or witchcraft?
A: That maybe true for some practitioners but Hellênismos does not recognise or worship any deity that resembles the Judaeo-Christian figure of Satan. Similarly although some pagans refer to themselves as Greek witches, in fact witchcraft and sorcery was frowned upon in ancient Hellas and step were taken in Athens, for example, to legislate against the practice of sorcery. Even Plato in his philosophical writings wanted the abuse of magic to be punished by law (Plato Laws 909b). Wicca on the other hand is a twentieth century invention and has no historical basis with Hellênismos. Those who follow Hellênismos believe in civic mindedness, law, order, and working as a community.
by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:56:30
7   Q: I have James Frazer's The Golden Bough and many books by Robert Graves, Thomas Bullfinch, and Edith Hamilton. Are these useful?
A: In general, Hellenic polytheists work with ancient sources. These include Homer, Hesiod, the playwrights such as Euripides, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, the hymns of Orpheus and the fables of Aesop. Although there have been many authors in the last two centuries who have written about the ancient works, their versions really can be dispensed with. For example, Frazer's The Golden Bough central theme of a dying and resurrecting vegetative god is no longer accepted as being valid for polytheism. Graves, Bullfinch, and Hamilton although wonderful writers are viewing the myths from a very Victorian-era perspective. Any Hellenic polytheist worth their salt would be best to read the ancient sources. Publishers Loeb and Heineman offer the original sources with the added bonus of the ancient Greek text on one page and the translation on the other. It must be stressed that although the myths are useful they are not however the central basis of our religious beliefs.
by hiera at 2000-11-03 10:41:44
8   Q: Is Wicca compatible with Hellênismos?
A: There are a number of fundamental differences in the way the Gods are approached in both systems. Whereas wiccan theology revolves around a "Lord and Lady/Horned God and Mother Goddess", that all Gods are facets of one God, that circles are cast and that watchtowers are called, the use of pentagrams in ritual, some nudity, terms like "Blessed Be" and "Merry Meet" are spoken, and a festival calendar based on solstices and equinoxes. These are all absent in Hellênismos. Polytheism is the belief in more than one God and that each God has his or her own indivisible powers. Think of the Gods of Hellênismos as being like an extended family - fathers, mothers, sons and daughters etc. Rituals involved are far more simple and pious with an emphasis on the sacrifice and prayer. These are usually performed at an altar in front of a temple and requires no circles and no prostrating. Music is sometimes accompanied to the ritual. Human sacrifice is considered an affront to the Gods, so is sex and nudity in the temenos (the temple or sanctuary area). Prayers are composed nominally of your own native tongue or in Hellênikos (ancient Greek). Festivals are celebrated according to a lunar calendar, from new moon to new moon.
by hiera at 2001-04-25 02:59:37

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